Message:   Pregnant fisting - new policy here at "Cindy and Joe"

From: Cindy     Sent: 22 Dec. 2002     Message 1 of 7

Dear Members,

It's soon New Year's Day, a time to reflect on things and make New Year's Resolutions.

We have also seen MSN deleting a lot of adult groups lately, and this has given us cause to think about what kind of pictures and discussions we want to have here at "Cindy and Joe". For example, we could probably reduce the chances of this group getting deleted by MSN if we simply deleted all of the photo albums.

But on reflection we are generally proud of the pictures and other activities that can be found here at "Cindy and Joe". We believe strongly that a natural and open attitude towards sex is good for people and good for relationships, and we see this MSN group as a factor in promoting that attitude.

Most of the pictures here at "Cindy and Joe" fall into the category that MSN calls "hard core pornography", but that doesn't bother us. We would find it especially painful if we voluntarily deleted the many private pictures that couples have posted here at "Cindy and Joe". We see these pictures as a kind of "declaration of independence and solidarity" being made by the members who posted them. They too are saying that they are not ashamed of what they are doing and that they want to be part of the mutual entertaining among the couples here who are into fisting and stretching activities.

The commercial pictures, on the other hand, we could do without if necessary. To us these pictures were primarily made for the purpose of earning money, both for the photographer and for the models, with perhaps a secondary motive of wanting to entertain. And from a strictly legal point of view most of these pictures are probably copyrighted and thus shouldn't be spread around without permission.

In general though, as mentioned above, we are satisfied with what is going on here at "Cindy and Joe", and don't intend to make any drastic changes just to avoid the possibility of being closed down by MSN. (If that does happen then we'll make new decisions about what we intend to do. MSN does not get to determine what we think and feel.)

There is, however, one exception to our general satisfaction with the current situation. We have decided to adopt a new policy regarding the subject of "pregnant fisting" here at "Cindy and Joe".

We believe that perineal stretching is good for pregnant women to reduce problems during childbirth. We believe that vaginal fisting is probably safe for most pregnant women during the first part of the pregnancy. We see these activities as personal choices and we are not saying that we are against them.

However, we have decided that we do not want to have pictures depicting pregnant fisting or pregnant pussy stretching (object insertions) here at "Cindy and Joe" any more. Nor do we want to have message threads talking about pictures of pregnant fisting as an activity intended for the viewer's sexual gratification.

Our thinking is as follows: Erotic pictures showing sexual activities are fine as entertainment and for sexual gratification, in part because the woman (and man?) who was photographed is consenting to have the pictures used for these purposes. This includes pictures of vaginal fisting and pussy stretching.

But if the woman is pregnant, and if the woman's pregnancy is considered a significant factor in what makes the pictures exciting, then something is happening here which we think is unfortunate. To put it simply, we do not want to see pictures of pregnant women in a pornographic context.

In addition to this conceptual consideration we also do not want to be in a situation where we may be encouraging couples to do something which can be dangerous.

We hope you can all accept our decision, which takes effect immediately. As a result of this new policy one photo album and one message thread have been deleted.

Yours,
Cindy and Joe