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Message: My Disclaimer

From: zappaz1 Sent: December 16, 1999 Message 1 of 7

I enjoy trying to answer any "general" questions on the subject of vaginal fisting.

When it comes to what any individual case should, or should not do... only a doctor with whom you have a professional contact can take the responsibility for that advice. Sadly, many will not advise you at all, and you have wasted your money.

My disclaimer is, that for absolutely "anything" I mention on this site, you should only consider that to be "just my opinion" and you should seek local professional advice before trying to individualize anything I might say.

I enjoy this club as it is the only place I know that treats vaginal fisting as the respectable and "mutually erotic" activity that it is. With the nice people so far that are members of the club, it appears to me, our fetish will become a widely accepted one.. in the very near future... at the "speed of the internet" :-)

Zappaz@excite.com

From: ssttaarrddogg Sent: December 16, 1999 Message 2 of 7

You have some very interesting insites Zap. I would like to know if you are male or female and maybe some background of your fisting experience. Thanks so much.
Sincerely, Jason

From: zappaz1 Sent: December 17, 1999 Message 3 of 7

Thanks ssttaarrddogg, the last time I checked (which was not very long ago) I was a "still active male" :-)

I have indeed had a lifetime of experiences. I will not bore you with details.

Best regards, zappaz1@excite.com

From: WanderingBear1 Sent: February 24, 2000 Message 4 of 7

Hi Zappaz1,

Like others, I would like to thankyou for your contributions.

(1)
I thought it amusing how in another thread you were questioned about whether you found large pussies erotic when you used medical terminolgy.

Being a consultant in a non medical field I also have similar problem being accurate and of value whilst not communicating my personal "interests".

(2)
I have a question. In another thread or maybe even Dandylions area you wrote about pinpoint measurements to determine the maximum pelvic distance possible. Can you illuminate my understanding or maybe direct me to where you had written on the matter?

Sincere thanks, Wandering Bear

P.S.
Feel free to email me mailto:daves@apptech.com.au

From: zappaz1 Sent: February 24, 2000 Message 5 of 7

Thank you WB.

I was merely mentioning that the maximum side-to-side pelvic opening for stretching is limited by the pelvic bones sometimes called "pinbones". Those are the "ischial" bones of the pelvis that project downward with one on each side of the anus. We all sit on those pinbones when we sit down (some who eat a little extra have a lot of padding over them.. lol), but you can feel them to the sides of your anus.

The inside distance between pinbones in men will not change. Even in most women there is very little give to the pinbone distance. The distance is called the bituberous or bi-ischial measurement and is useful to obstetrical doctors to see if the separation is enough for the babies head to pass between them. The distance across an infant's head is often quite close to this pinbone distance, and if larger, even though the vagina might easily stretch more, the bones will not. Then a C-Sections might be needed.

At the routine exam, most doctors just press in the skin on one side of the anus until his fist can feel the bone to one side of the fist and then see how many extra fingers of his other hand can be fitted between that fist and the pinbone on the opposite side. Try sitting on you own fist and wiggle side to side to feel your own pinbone distance. This is similar to what doctors do only they just very firmly press the skin in (without the sitting). This does not hurt.

Knowing the size across one of their fists plus the distance across their other fingers, doctors can then say how much room there is for the infant's head to pass between the bones. That is the usual way they measure this distance across the pelvic outlet or opening.

Very few ladies that I have checked were big enough to allow me to fit "over two" fists between their pinbones. I have seen a few where my two side-to-side fists could be "seperated" while my fists pressed between their pinbones.. indicating they had a very huge pelvic opening.

Some doctors use "inside calipers" to measure the pinbone distance.. that is much more accurate. You can measure your own distance easily by using a bead necklace. You place an "end bead" against one pinbone and find the last bead that will touch your opposite pinbone. You lay the two beads (that touched) on a ruler and you have your distance. When you press the skin inward opposite your anus, and feel to one side, you will feel the inside surface of your pinbone on that side. That surface is what a large babies head just touches on each side as it passes through these bones at birth. When you make your own measurement, you will know your "very maximum" distance across, you might might possibly insert anything rigid. Most of the time the front-to-back pelvic bone distance is slightly larger than this side-to-side pinbone distance, and most heads are a little longer than wide.

Huge babies have shoulders much larger than their heads.

zappaz1@excite.com

From: NastyKate Sent: February 27, 2000 Message 6 of 7

zappaz, are you a medical professional? I have tried to find a medical doc who is kink friendly in my area and only found a couple in my area from kap, kink aware professionals, but they didnt take my insurance. This is for me to be able to discuss my activities and have a good medical professional/patient relationship without barriers.

you can email me at nastykate@excite.com

regards,

Kate

From: zappaz1 Sent: February 29, 2000 Message 7 of 7

Kate, thank you.

I enjoy trying to make sense out of questions, and will reply to emails.

Otherwise, I prefer to remain anonymous without any professional connection.

To preserve anonymity and avoid giving direct personal advice... my answers to medical questions merely cite past experiences, generalize situations, and point out accepted precautions. I can only try to educate, and not directly recommend. Sometimes such general knowledge helps a little, as there is almost nothing available on the subject of this club.

I insist that the answers to any individual's question come from one's personal physician. I know that you may have trouble finding such a physician, but in every region, there are a few.

zappaz1@excite.com