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Message: Hello everyone from Joe & Maria

From: pereira6x Sent: 23 July 2003 Message 1 of 9

Hi everyone, we are Joe & Maria, a couple from California, nowadays living in Southern Europe. We're both 35.

We have been following this groups discussions for a while now, seems like a lot of fun people talking about nice sexy things. I thought it was time we joined officially and said hi to you all.

We first started experimenting with large toys about 8 years ago and Maria loved the full feeling as we found out. Little by little we tried various things and they got bigger - eventually one evening I was able to slip my whole fist into her just as she was orgasming between the contractions. She loved it and so did I after seeing what a stream of orgasms fisting gave her!

After 2 years of very regular fisting we actually stopped doing it because Maria was complaining she was getting too loose and she wasn't enjoying intercourse as much as before. In fact, she had difficulties getting an orgasm in normal intercourse and we always ended up fisting so that she could get off at all.

It actually helped to stop, and she regained her multiorgasmic self and started also enjoying fully regular intercourse. It must be said however that she never quite got back so sensitive as before, and achieving an orgasm, especially the first one (after that she orgasms easier many times), takes nowadays much more effort and a lot stronger stimulation than when she was younger. I wonder has anyone else noticed that - as you age it would take a lot stronger stimulation to achieve same results which you previously got with much less vigorous stimulation?

Nowadays we have not started fisting again yet, but we have talked about it because I loved doing it to her and she still remembers the pleasure it provided her. At the same time, we are a little concerned about going through the same cycle again. She definitely did not have fun as her orgasm sensitivity dropped.

We do however still play a lot with toys, even big ones! Maria loves vibrators and our massaging showerhead ;-)

Oh, before I go I would like to also thank this forum for giving us some ideas. We do not play with bottles as many seem to do (aren't you guys afraid that the glass bottle will break?) but we tried some other things like filling a condom with some water and having it inside her during intercourse - definitely a nice idea, thanks! Maria was really shocked (positively) to find out how big my "new" cock felt..! Also we have this hand-held vibe which we have always used to stimulate her clit, I saw the message describing that it could also be actually inserted in (didn't even htink of that before, duh!). Well we tried that and wow, results were fantastic pleasure for Maria, so another good "discovery". I got some pics also very poor quality due to our camera being a cheap shit but maybe we'll share them anyways.

Enjoy yourselves people!

Joe & Maria

From: pereira6x Sent: 23 July 2003 Message 2 of 9

Hi again we added some nice pics of Maria having fun testing the big vibrator out, hope you like them! She was in heaven with it in her, and I could concentrate on her nice nipples while she kept having orgasms time after time..! Mmm, I think we'll have a replay tonight!

Joe & Maria

From: Joe Sent: 24 July 2003 Message 3 of 9

Hi Maria and Joe,

Thanks for your message and for the pictures.

> In fact, she had difficulties getting an orgasm in normal intercourse and we always ended up fisting so that she could get off at all.

I don't know how common this is. It certainly must be individual, and doesn't apply to Cindy, who still easily achieves orgasm from "normal" intercourse, as well as through dozens of other ways. :-)

> I wonder has anyone else noticed that - as you age it would take a lot stronger stimulation to achieve same results which you previously got with much less vigorous stimulation?

My understanding is that this may well be true for men, but is generally not the case for women. On the contrary, I believe that most women find it easier to achieve orgasm as they reach their 40's. That's certainly the case for Cindy.

Anyway, it's good that the two of you are still finding ways to have fun and satisfy Maria. Here's an idea: how about combining intercourse and fisting? Cindy and I like what we call the "modified missionary position", which is like normal intercourse except that my right arm goes down below Cindy's buttocks and my hand is in her pussy alongside my cock. :-)

Thanks for the ideas and the thanks again for the long message.

Joe

From: pereira6x Sent: 26 July 2003 Message 4 of 9

Hi Joe,

Your idea is exciting but it sounds REALLY huge..! Jo hasnt fisted me in years so Im not as loose as I was, its definitely gonna take time. Previously I got very loose due to getting accustomed to fisting, and whenever I got excited, I would open so wide I didnt really have eventually much fun from normal intercourse.

I was very shy about sharing my photos but its ok hope others find them sexy

Maria (and Joe)

From: firefitr39 Sent: 26 July 2003 Message 5 of 9

Great Pics , lets see more

From: pornograf Sent: 26 July 2003 Message 6 of 9

KEGEL EXERCISES
Kegel Exercises are designed to exercise and strengthen the pelvic floor muscles. These muscles are important for proper tone of the bladder, urethra, vagina, uterus and rectum. Kegel exercises are often recommended in a variety of situations. They are commonly encouraged after the delivery of an infant. They are also utilized as a treatment for urinary incontinence and pelvic relaxation that often comes with the aging process. Lastly, they are recommended for improving sexual relations by improving pelvic floor control.

Multiple studies have been done with Kegel exercises showing success for urinary incontinence. A study in the Journal of Gerontology (J Gerontol 1993 Jul;48(4):M167-74) by Burns PA, et al showed that "biofeedback and pelvic muscle exercises are efficacious for sphincteric incompetence in older women. Benefits are maintained and improvement continues for at least 6 months post-intervention. These therapies may be useful before considering invasive treatment." A recent study by Cammu H, et al in the British Journal of Urology (BJU Int 2000 Apr;85(6):655-8) showed that pelvic floor exercises for urine incontinence, when successfully performed, had a 66% chance of favorable results for at least 10 years.

Unfortunately, women are poorly informed about the benefits from these exercises. The proper technique can often by initiated with proper teaching and continued on a daily basis. For optimal benefit, they need to be performed daily. The best part of these exercises is that they are free, painless, and can be done at any time of the day.

The proper technique relies upon finding the proper muscle group. Ask your physician about identifying this muscle group during your next gynecologic exam. Alternatively, this muscle (the levator group of muscles) is found by inserting your finger into the vagina and squeezing around it. If you feel pressure around your finger, you have found the correct muscle. This is also the muscle used to voluntarily stop your stream of urine. Try to isolate this muscle, while relaxing your legs, back, and abdominal muscles. Practice will make perfect. Initially, do these exercises while lying down or sitting comfortably. When comfortable with the technique, you can do these while driving, watching television, during meals, etc. To avoid confusing the bladder muscle, do not perform repetitively while urinating.

The correct number of exercises per day is variable. Evidence suggests that at least 50 repetitions are helpful. A repetition consists of squeezing the levator muscle for 5 seconds and relaxing for 5 seconds. Performing 10 repetitions five times a day will achieve the minimum 50 repetitions. You should be able to build up to holding the levator muscle for 10 seconds with practice. Do not expect miracles over night. Most women find improvement in urine incontinence and sexual relations after 4-6 weeks of therapy.

One of the most important aspects of these exercises (like any form of exercise) is persistence and a daily routine. Try to pick activities during the day to remind you of the exercises. Upon awakening, with morning tea, driving to work, at lunch, driving home from work, watching television, and before bed are common times for women to perform these exercises. Keep a calendar and monitor your improvement.

With a little persistence and patience, these exercises can be very effective. Please give them a try.

Follow this link, this will help. http://www.urinary-incontinence-sexual-dysfunction-help.com/

From: Joe Sent: 27 July 2003 Message 7 of 9

Hi Maria,

> Your idea is exciting but it sounds REALLY huge..!

Not really. It depends on the size of your Joe's hand and penis of course, but in my case I'd guess that the difference between the circumference of my hand vs. my hand + penis is only an additional 10%. It has to do with geometry. Try putting a tape measure around Joe's hand at the widest point, then measure again with his hand and penis together and see how much the difference is. :-)

In fact, if Joe's hand goes in first, and if your vagina is bigger internally than at the entrance (this is very much the case for Cindy) then there may be no additional stretching needed at all. I.e., the circumference of Joe's wrist + penis together may be no greater than the circumference of his hand at the widest point.

The other Joe

From: Jimm Sent: 28 July 2003 Message 8 of 9

Joe is right!! I have only used the hand in with penis in method and with many different partners for years.

Try it... it works.

Use the Kegel exercises. They won't stop you from fisting. They even make that easier to do, but your pelvic muscles will be much stronger and you can tighten better... but it is easier to relax to do fisting too!. It works both ways.

From: pereira6x Sent: 28 July 2003 Message 9 of 9

hi, well Jo just added some new pics hope you enjoy them. Thanks for the suggestions, lets see if we get back into fisting we will let you know how it goes. I need to relearn to relax that much again cause nowadays Im more tight. I used to do the excercizes, and yes I know they help.

Maria (and Joe)