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Message: Stopping Kegels?

From: Spencer Sent: 06 June 2001 Message 1 of 7

My fiance and I started attemping fisting about two years ago. I would 'force' fingers inside of her until she couldn't take any more. I did this about 2-3 times a week. She progressed very quickly and could take a fist after about 9 months. We've been stationary at one fist since then. She does Kegel exercises and is still tight.

Here's the catch (there's always a catch): we are into D/S and she is the submissive. We've begun incorporating fisting into our D/S play. What we've discovered is that she and I enjoy vigorous fisting and "big pussy" talk. We're now considering making our fantasy a reality. We would like to stretch her out to take both of my fists.

We're seriously thinking of forgoing her Kegel exercises and letting her pussy become big and loose for stretching. Will this help her stretch? If we did this, is it reversible? Would she be able to start Kegels in the future and tighten back up? Would having a loose pussy feel bad?

Any advice that you could give me will be much appreciated and maybe even used :)

Thanks!

From: Joe Sent: 08 June 2001 Message 2 of 7

Spencer,

Here are my opinions. But I my be wrong, so please don't base your decisions completely on my opinions.

> Will this help her stretch?
Probably.

> If we did this, is it reversible?
Probably not, i.e., your fiance's vagina will probably become permanently stretched to some extent.

> Would she be able to start Kegels in the future and tighten back up?
Probably not to the same tightness as if she had not let her vaginal muscles lose their tone.

> Would having a loose pussy feel bad?
She might have problems with bladder control if her muscles became very loose. Otherwise I don't think it would be a problem.

Hope this helps.

Yours,
Joe

From: Jman Sent: 01 July 2001 Message 3 of 7

I think your idea to stop the Kegels sounds very interesting provided your fiance is willing and knows that she "may" be permanenly stretched bigger and looser as a result. But to some extent more than liklely any couple getting into pussy fist-fucking probably has an idea before starting it that her pussy may possibly stay somewhat bigger after they start fisting. I do not know much about the Kegel exercises, but if both of you want the biggest loosest pussy for her so you can then more easily keep stretching her even bigger until you finally stretch her up to the size where you can get two fists up her then it seems to make sense, at least to me, that not doing the kegels would tend to help achieve that goal.

I am now curious if any of the other members have tried intentionally stopping the Kegel exercises for this same reason and if so if it helped in stretching her pussy bigger than when they were doing them, and if so was the additional stretching permanent .

I can foresee maybe one potentail problem: if she gets eventually stretched too big and it is permanent then you or maybe both of you may have trouble feeling enough to be able to climax when you have straight sex, but that could be remedied in other ways , i.e, by putting your hand in her pussy in addition to your penis when you have straight sex, etc . Jman
Jman128@hotmail.com

From: Spencer Sent: 11 July 2001 Message 4 of 7

The possibility of her loosing bladder control has caused us to reconsider our idea. Although she only does her Keigels about half the time, anyway. However, we are still intent on stretching her out. We are well aware that she and I will not receive as much stimulation from vaginal intercourse, but we both intensely enjoy anal intercourse and she INTENSELY enjoys having her pussy stretched out. A perfect match :)

What we are hoping is that she will (one day) be able to accept my fist(s) without prior preparation. We've made surprising progress in the last couple of months. She can now take my fist with very little preparation and she can accept a big dildo (3" diameter) with no preparation. By preparation, I mean a gradual increase in the number of fingers inserted until a fist can be inserted.

We are still going to keep pushing the envelope and I'm sure that one day both of my fists will be warm and cozy in her pussy.

From: Pure Sex Sent: 12 July 2001 Message 5 of 7

In response to your comments regarding being permanently stretched and what are the consequences regarding intercourse, my husband and I have been practicing stretching me for some years now. I can accept one fist with out preparation(but with lube) and two after a small amount of time. We both very much continue to enjoy intercourse and do so with the use of a vibrator(s) fully inserted. This assists him as well as me. Fisting is our foreplay and with dildos buzzing away inside we continue to finish with him inside me.

Just thought you would like to know that stretching does not end the enjoyment of penetration.

/Ginny

From: Chris & Julie Sent: 12 July 2001 Message 6 of 7

Although this is a website for folks "into vaginal fisting and pussy stretching", from all the above concern I wonder if concentration should be more into vaginal flexibility or elasticity rather than the apparent risk of a permanently stretched pussy . As mentioned in our intro message, it took us 2-years for me to be able to get a hand in, up to the wrist, i.e. 2-years of careful trial, error, and try again until we made it.

The current situation with us is such that it is initially tight for me to to insert a single finger but with gentle persuation I can open her up to eventually take one whole hand up to the wrist (as a fist clutching my thumb) along with four fingers of the other hand. After maybe a 30-minute fisting session, I can remove my hand (reluctantly) and her pussy closes up to squeeze my last exiting finger as I slowly slide out. My lady is over 50-years of age and she never dreamed it was possible for her to fist and now she is genuinely proud of having the 'art of fisting' in her repertoire.

So, what I am basically getting at is: instead of forcing open the pussy like a police raid, why not ease yourself in like coaxing a kitten out of a tree (the analogy came from my wife). That way you can practice fisting (and we do a lot of it) and ocacsionally go back to penis/vagina sex and even get your penis squeezed by her vagina muscles as if you were being milked.

Am I a lucky guy or what?

That is our opinion and everyone is entitled to know it.
S&C

From: Chris & Julie Sent: 12 July 2001 Message 7 of 7

That should heave been.
J&C
(I am getting our alias mixed up with another group member)