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Message: Fisting Post-Hysterectomy

From: wubbunny Sent: 3 June 2004 Message 1 of 29

i've been into fisting for several years and i was wondering if anyone here has had a hysterectomy and gone back to fisting after. i'm kinda scared to do ANYTHING at all so i need some advice please

thanks
wubbunny

From: Fødselslægen Sent: 4 June 2004 Message 2 of 29

Hi,
I personally know one woman that had a hysterectomy. She enjoys being fisted, even very deep and hard. Extreme stretching too. But I think its a good idea to seek proffessional advice......

Fødselslægen

From: wubbunny Sent: 5 June 2004 Message 3 of 29

Professional? i dont know any professional fisters and frankly i dont wanna ask my dr. i know i should try it for a while post-op but i was just wondering if anyone had any advice.

From: Joe Sent: 6 June 2004 Message 4 of 29

This subject has been discussed here once before, long ago.
http://cindyandjoearchive.com/Messages/Cat10/msg00119.htm

The usual disclaimer: Please make your own informed decisions, and don't assume that any information you find posted on the Internet by anonymous individuals is necessarily reliable (although it may well be).

Joe

From: Joe Sent: 6 June 2004 Message 5 of 29

Just noticed there's another old message thread that touches on this subject:
http://cindyandjoearchive.com/Messages/Cat10/msg00595.htm

See especially message no. 10 on that thread.

Joe

From: PurpleDragonFly_7 Sent: 6 June 2004 Message 6 of 29

hi wubbunny,
I had one and I enjoy it more now that I ever have. I was scared to try it at first. Make sure you are healed up about 8 weeks before you start fisting, and take it slow the first few times after that, I'm sure you will know or "feel" whats right for you.

From: Kneebone Sent: 6 June 2004 Message 7 of 29

I concur. Just like with any surgery, give it plenty of time to heal. If you want to ask the surgeon the "when is it safe to resume" question, perhaps you could just phrase it as "vigorous sex" or "energetic sex" and if the surgeon still doesn't clue in, hint that your partner is rather well hung (whether or not he is) and have concerns regarding thrusting into the area of surgery.

If he still doesn't get it, then stick with common sense. As has been suggested, 8 weeks should be a good buffer. If you can try some delicate poking with a long dildo yourself, to see if anything still feels tender.

Having said that, my own $0.02 on hysterectomies follows. In many cases they're obviously necessary, but my own wife has grumbled on occasion that she wants her "girl stuff" removed, if only because she finds periods annoying. The flip side of this coin is, I love playing with her cervix when I'm fisting her, and judging from her reactions, she loves the way I play with it. A hysterectomy would remove all that (unless there's some form of hysterectomy which leaves the cervix intact that I'm not aware of). Clearly if she were regularly having physical distress above and beyond a normal period, or if cancer figured in there, I would gladly forsake those fringe benefits for the sake of her health.

Jim{ruby}

From: wubbunny Sent: 6 June 2004 Message 8 of 29

Thank you guys for all the responses, I go for my 6 week check up on the 15th and i assume he will "release" me to start having sex again ( now i just gotta find a partner LOL) but I'll try and "hint" around and see if i can get a decisive anwser. I'll let you guys know how things go. Love you all

Smooches
Juls (wubbunny)

From: TOOHOT Sent: 7 June 2004 Message 9 of 29

Hello I was into fisting pre-hysterectomy but because of the medical problems that was the reason for the hysterectomy was necessary for me to stop. Well since it has been several years since I had the surgery and I have enjoyed fisting again and it is more enjoyable than before. Because I do not have the medical issues. I would advise although the doctor may say it is okay for sex you should wait several extra weeks for the fisting as your internal is still healing and is tender. This is both from experience and as health professional.

From: Vi Co Bi Sent: 8 June 2004 Message 10 of 29

Perhaps my post will explain why such a long time member of the list hasn't been active since the move to this forum. Also please note that these are MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND VIEWS and are not to be taken as anything other than that.

Prior to my hysterectomy, vaginal fisting (in all its forms) was my favorite sexual activity. Because I had a medical condition that remained undiagnosed for many years, the condition developed into atypical hyperplasia - a precancerous condition - and the post op biopsy found two areas of cells in transition from precancer to cancer. My complaints had been brushed off by the previous doctors who told me it was my body preparing for menopause - I'm 42 now, had the hysterectomy before I was 38, and I had complained to these doctors as early as 1992. Once those masses were found, I was scheduled for another surgery to remove my ovaries in case the cancer had tried to spread.

Before the surgeries I was religious about my kegels, to the point of not being able to sleep until I was certain I had done the daily minimum. Since then the nerves that help me control those floor muscles have been dysfunctional. When I add this to the fact that everything from the cirvex back was removed, I was left with a very small playpen. Because the nerves haven't repaired themselves and I haven't been able to do the exercies, I'm developing a prolapse. Now I'm facing more surgery to repair this and repair my pelvic floor muscles. This is all without any post op fisting activity.

My point is to let you know that I believe post hysterectomy it is very important to do your kegels. Aside from the normal physical changes you will be facing because of the removal of your uterus and the added changes if your ovaries are removed also, it is extremely important that you do not slide on the exercises. On the contrary, at this time I think they are more important than before. Don't ignore any pain, discomfort or anything unusual. And don't think that because you don't feel any pain that nothing has been damaged. The muscles will take a while to heal and you may not know until it's too late that the nerves haven't knit well. Ease into the activity, let your body have a few days between sessions and make an extra effort to notice anything unusual. I think 8 weeks is a bit too optimistic, and if I were able to enjoy such activities, would take at least six months to ease back into the intensity level enjoyed before.

And above all else, DON'T FORGET THE KEGELS!!!

From: Joe Sent: 8 June 2004 Message 11 of 29

Dear Vi Co Bi,

Thanks for your message. Your name rang a bell, and after a bit of searching I've found some of your old messages in our message archive, from back when "Cindy and Joe" was on Excite Clubs and you called yourself "vicobi". So you are definitely one of the longest-standing members of "Cindy and Joe", and I'm glad to see that some of the old members are still around.

I'm very, very sorry to hear about your problems, it really makes me sad on your behalf.

Joe

From: Vi Co Bi Sent: 9 June 2004 Message 12 of 29

* Failure in MSN Groups e-mail messaging system.

From: possum574 Sent: 9 June 2004 Message 13 of 29

unsubscibe me please

From: possum574 Sent: 9 June 2004 Message 14 of 29

unsubscibe me please

From: TOOHOT Sent: 9 June 2004 Message 15 of 29

* Failure in MSN Groups e-mail messaging system.

From: newandy40 Sent: 11 June 2004 Message 16 of 29

Thank you all.
The fact you will share with all of us is a tribute to you.
If we cant talk about things, then people get hurt in may ways.

Andy

From: Silky55401 Sent: 11 June 2004 Message 17 of 29

Please pardon my ignorance but what are Kegels?

Thanks

From: Silky55401 Sent: 11 June 2004 Message 18 of 29

Never mind. My brain wasn't switched on when I ask that question.

From: Kneebone Sent: 12 June 2004 Message 19 of 29

I'm sure you could Google for info on Kegels, but here it is in a nutshell:

Kegels are the toning and strengthening of your pelvic floor muscles, your PC (pubococcygeal) muscles. The simple programme is "many and frequently", but more specific approaches would include:

- flexing quickly for 100 reps.
- flexing slowly (squeeze and hold for a few secs, then relax) for 10 reps. Do at least 3 sets of these.

If you're driving or riding public transit, you'll have plenty of time to do them. :)

If you're still not sure what I'm talking about, you use these same muscles when you urinate. Next time you go to the toilet, alternately relax/tighten the muscles down there. More explicitly, repeatedly stop/start the flow of urine. (Sorry for being so graphic, but sometimes details are required.) Once you have a feel for that, go out and flex flex flex! Flex when you're in the shower, flex when you're waiting for the microwave, flex when you're sitting on a boring meeting.

The benefit of all this? Much stronger pelvic floor muscles which translate into better, more enjoyable sex. :)

If you're into using devices, there's something called the Kegelcizer (or something like that). But it's not cheap. You would probably be better off stuffing a couple ben wah balls in there, or better still, a couple golf balls. See how many hours you can keep those in there. Pay attention to them when you go to the washroom, else you'll be fishing them out of the toilet. :P

Hope you have fun. ;)

Jim{ruby}

From: Joe Sent: 13 June 2004 Message 20 of 29

Regarding Kegel exercises, there are some links here: http://groups.msn.com/CindyandJoePublic/kegelexercises1.msnw

From: Joe Sent: 13 June 2004 Message 21 of 29

PS. Thanks for posting the information about Kegels, Kneebone.

From: Jimm Sent: 14 June 2004 Message 22 of 29

I suppose that one thing done by hysterectomy is that it removes the uterus and also removes any possibility of air being blown into the placental sinus veins in the event of pregnancy.

This merely means that fun with "air" is no longer a worry. With the mouth and chin pressed inside the vagina, air can be taken in through the nose and then blown into the vagina for those that love air stretching... at least until the opening stretches so much that the nose goes inside too, LOL

Those who are large can always use large rubber ballons such as the large "punch balloons" that are cheap to purchase and can get very big inside... only problelm is, the vagina is usually smaller after hysterectomy unless the cervix is not removed.

If that method is used, I hope those here that try it would close off the neck of the punch balloon before pulling it out of the vagina, and then measure how large it was to tell our group just how much they stretched.

And the stretch fun PRIZE goes to xxxx (too bad Cindy is worried about the air as she might win and post a pic or two) !!!!

From: kitty Sent: 15 June 2004 Message 23 of 29

Hi wubbunny...i had cancer and had to have a Hysterectomy and i was affraid
too...it took a few months.You MUST wait and make sure you have healed
completely. i think that i made it harder
on myself the first couple of times i was fisted simply because i was
nervous and didnt know what to
expect.Try doing some breathing exercises before you next attemp.
BTW how long has it been sine your surgery?
kitty

From: Vulcanb2 Sent: 18 June 2004 Message 24 of 29

Juls,

After Bren, my ex, had her hysterectomy, we waited about 6 months before trying fisting again. I can understand why it is your favorite activity, as Bren's orgasms from a combination of me fisting her and eating her simultaneously where her strongest! She would raise off the bed when that happened. Unfortunately, my current girlfriend is not into fisting at all. I tried to introduce her to it, but she's quite hesitent.

I hope you find an understanding lover to share your life with and can help you ease back into this joyous activity.

"Vulcan"
Pittsburgh PA

From: Soul-Rebel-too Sent: 22 June 2004 Message 25 of 29

Hi, I have too expreiences to share with you. Patricia 47 years old, a very special lover of mine had a total hysterectomy about a year before we met. She had never been fisted before she had the operation but there was no problem with taking my whole hand with gentle but firm practice. (There are some of our pictures posted in the albums.)

Case two. Ellen; She's 45, We were fisting partners for many years. She moved to Florida and a years or so later had just her uterus moved. The cervical head is intact as well as both overies. We waited about a year for her to heal before we tried to use huge toys or to fist, to be sure she was completely OK. She can now take both of my hands, which is something she couldn't do before the operation. Care, tenderness, timing and plenty of lube make (almost) anything possible.

Don't be afraid of enjoying "post hysterectomy" fisting pleasures.

I hope this helps.
Buster

From: Jimm Sent: 23 June 2004 Message 26 of 29

Soul-Rebel-too,

Taking both hands after leaving in the cervix and removing the uterus is great. For fisting that is the best type hysterectomy. That method also doesn't cut the nerves so sensation is retained.

That is because leaving the cervix doesn't shorten the vagina and removing the uterus from the pelvic cavity might even allow extra room for both hands inside her pelvic cavity.

From: Vulcanb2 Sent: 28 June 2004 Message 27 of 29

Kitty,

Do you have any pics of you being fisted or using large objects?

"Vulcan" in Pittsburgh

From: xenial_23 Sent: 25 Aug. 2004 Message 28 of 29

i've been doing kegel's for about 10 years since i had my son. and using the kegel master 2k (not a sponsorship). and fisting when i can.

the weird thing i have discovered is that inside my vagina the muscles that i contract doing the kegels are hard as rocks ALL the time.

my kegels are very strong - on the kegel master 2k i can use all 4 springs and close down almost all the way (i have a hard time closing this with one hand)

has anyone else had this experience? i don't know anyone in RL that does kegel's, so i've very curious if this is normal or what?

One more question for the ladies - has anyone else had problems with a bartholin's gland getting blocked (maybe from too much stretching and scarring over time - i have always had a problem with tiny ripping a scar tissue even with plain old sex)?

From: Jimm Sent: 28 Aug. 2004 Message 29 of 29

Your Kegals are working... keep it up they are good for you.

As to bartholin cysts, had a BBW girlfriend who had never done fisting but the bartholin cyst on her left side gradually became so large it was much larger than a grapefruit. It filled the vaginal opening but never was painful and she enjoyed sex. I told her with her size she would enjoy fisting if the cyst was gone and she wanted to do fisting. I just knew she would love fisting after it was removed. She already was stretched much more than enough were it not for the bartholin cyst. .

She had the huge cyst removed and the doctor (without telling her in advance) then tightened her up so tight, she couldn't even get a penis inside.

So the lesson is: "any" gyn surgery not thoroughly discussed in advance, not just a hysterectomy, can lead to tragedy. If you do fisting, ask if the cervix can be left in -- or on any surgery if the tightning surgery can be avoided. I also know another girl who sued because the tightning did not allow any sex afterward... and she lost her lawsuit because she signed a waver saying "anything bad" could happen!.