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Message: The body's natural painkiller: endorphins

From: Joe Sent: 11 July 2002 Message 1 of 10

I'm still working my way through every single message on this message board, copying the relevant ones to the new message archive. One of the messages inspired me to do a bit of research, and I came up with this link (as well as many other links about endorphins):
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0483.html

In summary, endorphins are the body's natural painkillers, are related to morphine, and also make you feel better and reduce feelings of stress. Great stuff! And the best part is that endorphins are released when you have an orgasm!

This is why, at least for multi-orgasmic women, it's good to have foreplay and have a couple of orgasms before you get down to the serious stretching. This is true both for beginners who are still trying to work their way up to a whole fist and for veterans who are just having fun and perhaps trying to achieve a bit more in the way of stretching.

Joe

From: bitmap Sent: 12 July 2002 Message 2 of 10

The endorphins are the key part of the attraction BDSM play if it is done correctly. It takes time to build up to a level that allows intense play without pain.
The subspace the submissive goes in to after an orgasam is the result of calming effect of the endorphins.

The chemical in grapes helps to cut down in brusing.

From: Shy Girl Freak Sent: 31 Aug. 2002 Message 3 of 10

Bitmp,
I am not into BDSM but I wondered from your post here on the chemical that stops bruising opr helps to lessen bruising was in grapes. I was wondering if you could give me some more information on this. That would be great and how do you use this for bruising in your play or afterwards. I mean do you eat them or what. Please fill me in. enquiring minds want to know.!!! LOL SHY

From: bitmap Sent: 1 Sep. 2002 Message 4 of 10

Hi Shy Girl Freak,

We started out as novices in BDSM years ago because we were afraid of "swinging" and swingers. It took awhile for us to work up to the pain level but lucky for us there were a lot of resources in our area. We all did a lot of research and learning.

What most people think of BDSM is from movies and misconception. The intense players are the minority. The Old Guard types deep in to protocol are few. Nowadays BDSM and swinging are mixing. BDSM ignored the sex because in most states it is a crime to have intercourse while a person is bound. Having open parties always left the host responsible. BDSM players love sex just as much as anyone else and use the BDSM as foreplay.

We left BDSM to swing and left that as soon as it became routine. Now we feel that we have explored everything sexually and just play with each other using everything we learned over the years.

Chances are you do some kind of BDSM, you just don't know it falls under that catagory :)

With that said, you eat the grapes. Before, during and after. Whenever possible. The grapes are anti-oxidents and have some blood thinning properties. I read about the grapes in a BDSM publication by either Jay Wiseman or some other BDSM expert.

You will find that good BDSM players have a lot of books and resources on the subject. They also love to education people on what BDSM is and about safe, sane and consensual play. End of promo.

I have enclosed some links about the properties of grapes. All I can say is that after we started eating them the normal bruises disappeared or at least stayed slightly visible for a day. The idea in BDSM is not to leave marks on a body. I would love to say we are all perfect at hitting the mark but that is not so. There are more links available. The ones here tend to promote a commerical pill extract. I say eat the real thing when possible. Feel free to ask any questions. I hope this information answers your question about grapes.

http://www.omegabiotech.com/grapeseedextract.htm

http://www.medsurge.com/live_to_120_years.htm

http://www.health.com/health/wellness/remedies/0%2C12884%2C215179%2C00.html

Our webpages:

www.justaswinging.com

www.passionwhips.com

From: Shy Girl Freak Sent: 1 Sep. 2002 Message 5 of 10

Bitmap,
hey thanks for all of the information I read it all. I liked that swing I must get me one tof those at some point. I have tried other ones but this looks like much more fun.LOL I appreciate your reply and I just wanted to let ya know. yes I am also sure some of the things I have done would be considered BDSM but as I have seen both the extreme of BDSM and the less extreme I am not one to really get into pain with sex. But I have scratched and bit and left some bad marks. Hubby wears them like trophies..LOL I never understood that but oh well!! Thanks again.

From: Joe Sent: 2 Sep. 2002 Message 6 of 10

Yes, thanks for the information, bitmap. (By the way, what does your user-id mean, if anything? In computer programming a "bit map" is another word for a raster graphics image.)

Cindy and I aren't into pain at all, but we do play around with mild bondage and domination games occasionally, as you've seen from the pictures. I like to tie Cindy up such that her legs are spread and her pussy is completely available, and then I say things like, "now you're completely at my mercy, and who knows what huge object I'm going to insert into your amazing pussy next!"

Joe

PS. Speaking of pictures, I know that I owe you all the latest series of both still and video Cindy pictures, but I've been too busy with my "real life". I'll try to get it done this week.

From: bitmap Sent: 4 Sep. 2002 Message 7 of 10

You are welcome Shy Girl Freak. Your husband seems to understand . It's about the endorphins, not the pain. Nobody we know in BDSM likes pain. Most cry just stubbing a toe. Once the endorphins kick-in the "high" takes over. A considerate partner stops before pain takes over. Trust me, nobody likes sex with pain unless they have a mental problem. It takes a long time to work up to what looks like intense play.

We really don't practice BDSM on a regular basis anymore. We have sort of burned out on it. So far we just intergrate some aspects like fisting, a little spanking (more like a few swats) music and the swing. Maybe we'll get back to flogging and other things. It was just great to get to understand the lifestyle. It's the Goth lifestyle we have not figured out yet.

If you have anymore questions, just ask.

Bitmap

From: bitmap Sent: 4 Sep. 2002 Message 8 of 10

Hi Joe,

The user ID does stand for raster images. When the internet became available to me at work 14 years ago I picked that ID for lack of anything better. I grew up in the CB radio days and figured the web would work almost the same.

I have been a computer graphics person since converting from conventional photography to digital in the late 80's. Now I do more training, network admin and digital video than large plotter printing and photography. I still maintain a conventional darkroom/photolab but it's being phased out. I have replaced the B & W printing with a quad ink grayscale printer.

When I have the time and the need, I do 3D animations for work. Real life does take up a lot of time. I will admit that BDSM helped in coping with merging several types of graphics and media skills into one operation. I run the lab by myself and have over 30 fulltime customers. I hope to get some help by May.

On the side I do websites for adult toys and other interesting things.

Bitmap

From: Shy Girl Freak Sent: 6 Sep. 2002 Message 9 of 10

bitmap,
Again the goth lifestyle is one I also have not figured out myself. But what the hell I am sure they see the reality and fun in it . yes hubby understand well and I can see that pain is not a nice thing in sex for sure but there is always some that go overboard and you have to wonder if they are not well mentally sometimes but each to their own. So you desing web pages or just hlep in settinghtem up. The reason I am asking is cause I am not a computer prgrammer or anything but all I learned was from the puter and just trying things out I have a web site that is for prfessional use not sex..LOL But I am sure it is done right. If you have any advise to give me or help it would be very much appreciated you can e mail me at hubbys_homegirl@hotmail.com
thanks either way.

From: bitmap Sent: 7 Sep. 2002 Message 10 of 10

Shy Girl,

I'll email you about the web design stuff.