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Message:   Depth

From: Thomas Ghia     Sent: 23 Feb. 2001     Message 1 of 4

Hi Cindy and Joe and everyone,

Iīve been following the discussions of this club since its Excite days, though only now I have decided to become a member. The reason why I never joined is that Cindy and Joe wanted members to be active (which I find most reasonable) and I wasnīt ready to send any material (and I still donīt have anything, apart from the question below). Allowing non-members to read the messages and see the pictures was a very wise way to keep passersby away.

My girlfriend and I have been trying stretching and fisting for a couple of weeks now. Although we try it with much gusto, weīre a bit far way from real fisting. At the moment I can insert four fingers past the knuckles. Weīve reached this point quite effortlessly up, from just two fingers in the beginning. With all the information I got from this site (thank you so much!) sex has been a joy, confident and relaxed; thank you all again.

Now here comes the problem. The most common problem with fisting is related to the handīs girth, i.e., it wonīt fit the vagina. Well, my girfriendīs vagina seems to be too short. We feel itīs easier to insert the fingers if I position my hand against the back wall of her pussy (she stretches better this way), but she finds it more pleasurable when I push my fingers aganist the upper wall. Either way, itīs too short and I canīt really work my four fingers inside her because of this. From I what I have read, the cervix is out, so I īm not sure how to go further. Can you help me find the right way?

Thomas Ghia



From: Cindy     Sent: 01 Mar. 2001     Message 2 of 4

Hi Thomas,

Sorry for the late reply. Joe and I have been away on a trip.

As for your question, this is a new one. I think it would be best if Zappaz would give his views on the problem of a vagina being too "short". (Please, Zappaz?)

My only suggestion is that you try inserting your hand rotated 90 degrees (so your thumb is up) and with the fingers curled very tightly, perhaps curling the fingers around the tip of the cervix. But this orientation is probably poor for stretching in general. I guess that the two of you will have to experiment with as many possibilities as you can think of.

Joe thinks that because the vagina is made of very stretchable skin that it is possible to stretch it in length, but I'm doubtful of this because of the uterus etc. being in the way. (I think that what's happened with me is that Joe has stretched the back wall of my vagina so much that the cervix now appears to be on the front wall now instead of at the top of the vagina.)

Your comment that the cervix must not be entered is correct. Don't try going in there.

Let us know how it works out, OK?

Good luck,
Cindy



From: zappaz1     Sent: 01 Mar. 2001     Message 3 of 4

As Cindy mentions, the most common stretching problem is just getting the circumference of the opening wider, but there are depth problems from many causes.
The most common depth problem is that there is not much of a posterior fornix to the vaginal pouch (Cindy mentions this fornix, with the cervix being "in front" of that extra vaginal depth). Rarely there are extreme cases of a deep fornix where the lady can take many inches of depth. Some women have adhesions in that region and these will not allow the vagina to stretch deeper. Of course an iatrogenic (doctor caused) problem with depth, is previous surgery.. especially the removal of the cervix (see archives here).

As everybody is different, you will need to consult her gynecologist and ask about depth and possible stretching, as advice should be on the basis of each individual case



From: Satyros     Sent: 28 Sep. 2001     Message 4 of 4

Hi Thomas

Do you remember to curl your fingers into a fist when you try to go further in ?
It seems to me, from what you wrote, that it might be your problem....
When you get your fingers past the knuckles, leave the thumb in the palm and try to make a fist.
There should be plenty of room inside her for that. It's the outher muscles that are tight, but that will soon change.. hehe ;o)
For extra 'training', try to sneak a few fingers alongside your dick when you give her a 'normal' fuck (doggystile is great for that). I allways do that, and it works just fine *lol*.

WeirdLabs

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