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Message: Who has reached 4" or larger?

From: jjjjjjjjjjj Sent: 26 May 2005 Message 1 of 16

Hi, I am just curious who has reched that 4" diameter landmark? My husband and I have been stretching for a few years, but only recently really getting into. right now my husband is overseas in the Navy, but I have just got the fat man in a barrel toy that is 6"x3.75", and am oh so close to being able to take it. But I am also concerned how much more I could do? I am 5'4", and don't have a large frame, and want to save something for us to accomplish when he gets home. My husband and I really enjoy this, but am wondering how big I could go before I run out of room? Anyone else my size gone over 4 yet? thanks

From: Jimm Sent: 26 May 2005 Message 2 of 16

For your size, it might be uncomfortable to stretch to 4 inches wide, but your pelvis most likely will allow that size. An average pelvis will allow a maximum bone width (pinbone distance) of about 4.5 inches wide, but only a very very few with that size pelvis will actually stretch right out to the bone walls.

The woman BJ (see the Justo Major Pelvis pictures) does. Her picture shows an estimate of that same 4.5 inch average pinbone width, and she stretches right up to her bone walls as proven by a video where she can insert a 2 liter bottle vaginally. That bottle is about 4.4 to 4.5 inches wide, she is shown to insert it to a depth that is the full width of the bottle. For obvious reasons, I will not post that video here. BJ is not very tall and probably a little shorter than you are... but has had lots of stretching practice.

If you happened to have a Justo Major Pelvis which is one much wider, taller, and deeper than average (about 1 1/2 or more average size) then stretching 4 inches wide would be very very easy, as 1.5 X 4.5 is a 6.75 inch wide bone opening, and stretching 4 inches wide would be about like one with an average bone width inserting 3 fingers (which most women do very comfortably). A few women of shorter stature have a Justo Major Pelvis, but it is probably less than one in a thousand; so I doubt you do.

4 inches width is ambitious, so don't be disappointed if it is not comfortable. Good luck and just have fun.

From: Partialn Sent: 26 May 2005 Message 3 of 16

Your maximum width stretch, at the 3.75" width of your toy you use now, is a nice stretch for your size. Hope the extra 0.25" is fun and enjoyable. That might give you a 0.5 inch clearance between your stretch and your pinbones if your pelvis is average size. That might still be comfortable. You will just have to see, but it should only be done as a fun thing. Don't try what your bones won't allow. Good luck getting to 4" width. You can see if your pelvis is average or larger by having your husband press his closed fist to dent in the skin between your pinbones and then adding fingers from his other hand between the bones to get the maximum size-- then just measure the fist plus the added fingers for pinbone width.

The pinbone width is the narrowest part of the bone opening and limits the size of a round toy insertion. The front to back stretching is usually a little more capable than side to side pinbone width. I read that fact is due to the cephalic index or ratio where heads are more narrow as to width for giving birth through the bone opening. The ratio is about 0.8 When you do fisting you and your husband will notice that front to back size is easier than side to side. A lot of women think they are narrow because they never stretch down the lower vagina all the way down to where the pinbones are, and try to measure high up on the V of their opening before they stretch the vagina enough down toward the anus to reach the widest opening.

Your pelvis may be larger than average so you might even be able to stretch more. The largest pelvis I have seen is from a picture posted and removed by Blitzppp. It showed a man pressing his head heightwise between the pinbones of an extremely large woman. His chin was hooked inside her right pinbone and his mouth was full open making his head height over an inch taller. His hairline above his forehead was pressing inside her other pinbone on her left! Considering his full open mouth, the distance was at least 10 to 11 inches between her pinbones. I would guess that width is about maximum possible opening size for anybody, and it figures about 2 1/3 times average pelvis size. We will probably never see a woman stretch that much, but if that woman was comfortable stretching as much as you do right now--- WOW! 2 1/3 times your 3.75" toy width would indicate an 8 3/4 inch "comfortable type" vaginal stretch--- side to side! With my fantasy that is maximum possible HOT--- as I only enjoy comfortable enjoyable type stretching.

From: jjjjjjjjjjj Sent: 27 May 2005 Message 4 of 16

Thanks for the details. I have no idea what my pinbone width is, but I know I don't have very wide hips, so I am probably average. I will have to try to figure that pinbone thing now. again thanks for the help. Maybe I will post some pics once I get this done. I will be sending some to my hubby to in Kuwait too.

From: Partialn Sent: 27 May 2005 Message 5 of 16

More pictures would be wonderful! I certainly enjoy the lovely ones you posted earlier.

If you make one of the pictures by using a timer and bending over pressing your fingertips deep inside your pinbone opening, then pulling the fingertips to the sides against the bones just before the timer goes off, it would be wonderful. You could tell us your hand width on that picture post, so we can give you a very close estimate of what your maximum might be capable of. I am sure members would love the view! I know I would. I would guess now somewhere around 4 inches comfortable, but the picture might change that opinion. Nothing like knowing for sure.

Just stretch enjoyably within your size capabilities.

Awaiting your post, and--- Very best wishes.

From: Jimm Sent: 27 May 2005 Message 6 of 16

jjjjjjjjjjj, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and wonderful pictures with the Group.

I am glad you are having fun with our mutual love for vaginal stretching. As to your maximal comfortable size, that will take time to find out. Partialn's suggestion about puting up one picture showing your fingers inside the pinbone opening is a way of predicting.

That method is not foolproof! Sometimes fingers are just denting in the soft tissue and are hot hooked inside the bone opening. That could be a cause for error on any pictures that estimates are made, including those posted as examples here... so be sure if you do make such a picture to feel your fingers pull the fingers firmly side-to-side against the resistance of the bone (ischial tuberosities) just inside where you feel the bone opening. That way, the prediction will be very accurate.

Again, thanks for your contributions!

From: Joe Sent: 31 May 2005 Message 7 of 16

Just for the record, Cindy did 4" in diameter (equals approx. 12.5" in circumference) back in 2001 when we did the "Cindy Visits Joe's Dungeon" photo and video session. Here's the picture of me measuring the ball that Cindy had just ejected from her amazing pussy:

http://cindyandjoearchive.com/PhotoAlbums/Session4/cindy392.htm

I'm guessing many of the "professional ladies" have done 4" or more, for example BJ, Amazing Ty, Samantha Lovcox, Payton Page, etc.

Joe

From: Partialn Sent: 31 May 2005 Message 8 of 16

Thanks Joe for that wonderful picture of Cindy. The beautiful thing about Cindy is that she only stretches what is fun and quite enjoyable. I can tell by looking at her pictures that her pelvis is slightly larger than average. The "professional" ladies are all a little smaller than Cindy's pelvis size, but they try to stretch right out to their bone opening size. I don't consider that to be as wonderful as what Cindy has done.

I much prefer to see someone like Cindy who is not trying to set records but just doing what is erotic and enjoyable. I don't think anyone should do their absolute maximum stretching unless they truly are having great fun doing it. This is just another example of how Cindy is a great example for this Group--- to stress the pleasurable side of vaginal stretching and fisting. I abhore the sadistic examples of people like Alonzo's girls where pain is part of the stretching picture.

I have a fantasy for the maximal sizes but only when the stretching is great fun for both parties. I greatly enjoy those who stretch near their maximum possible without getting into pain or true sadism or masochism. It doesn't matter the total size of their pelvic opening, as long as the stretching is a relatively large--- and for sure a comfortable size.

"Pretend" s/m is another thing that I don't mind, but anything done that is painful or dangerous for either participant in vaginal stretching turns me off. Cindy is the BEST!--- in many many ways.

From: Joe Sent: 1 June 2005 Message 9 of 16

Partialn, thank you very much for the kind words. Cindy and I agree with you completely about how important it is that vaginal stretching (and almost all other sexual activities) be for pleasure, fun and love. Not for pain. (Unless the parties really are into SM, but that isn't for us.)

> I abhore the sadistic examples of people like Alonzo's girls where pain is part of the stretching picture.

Funny you should mention Aldonze and his girls (or "bitches", as he calls them). Cindy had a major dispute with Aldonze on a message board some 7-8 years ago, and we still remember our dismay when the message board owner sided with Aldonze and we had to leave that web site in anger.

http://cindyandjoearchive.com/Messages/Cat25/msg00195.htm

Ancient history, but as I said it really stung us at the time.

Joe

From: jjjjjjjjjjj Sent: 1 June 2005 Message 10 of 16

Thanks for all the responses, and believe me, I do this because it feels good, and I want to. I do get tender usually after a good session, but that only usually lasts maybe a day, and It is great at the time!! Once I achieve this goal, I will try to post some pictures. And I am not so worried about pin bone stuf anymore, I will just keep going so long as it feels good, until I can't. I have just met a new friend though that is going to help me stretch depth wise now. He is hung like Mr Ed, 11.5"long and 2.5" wide. My husband is good with it, so that will be a lot of fun!! I ought to be able to teach him a few things when he gets home!!

From: lookinaround80 Sent: 16 June 2005 Message 11 of 16

i have achieved it but only with it being inflated inside and then pulled out fully inflated. i have been working on insertions 4" going in while a mite painful for me it is all in the positioning the higher my hips it seems while i am bent over works best for me. i also find if i am rubbing right on my clit it helps slide larger things in or even softly clamping my clit while stretching.
HAVE FUN!!!

From: Jimm Sent: 16 June 2005 Message 12 of 16

lookinaround80... congratulations!
Not many can enjoyably stretch the 12.57 inches (32 cm) around that it takes for a 4 inch across insertion. For an average size pelvis there would only be about 0.4 inch (1 cm) clearence between the pinbone opening and the inside of the vagina. However large stretching might be easier for you if you are lucky and have a larger than average pelvis.

As an example of a large pelvis size, for the one in a thousand Justo Major type pelvis (which is 1.5 times as large in every direction than the 4 inch wide stretch you can do) then stretching 4 inches across would only be like 4 inches divided by 1.5 compared to average size (which would only be like a 2.66 inch wide stretch) for the large type. So, if you have a large pelvis, it certainly helps with larger stretching and you might even be able to do more.

Congratulations, as you are really doing extremely well !

For any size pelvis, 4 inches across is a really nice stretch.Thanks for letting us know about your progress.

Do you use the Gargantula inflatable, and do you wrap tape around its outer part to help make it form an "inside ball shape"... as you mentioned pulling it out?

From: jjjjjjjjjjj Sent: 27 June 2005 Message 13 of 16

just added some recent pictures of my new toys, hope you all enjoy. Still working on that 3.75" toy I have come to call titan, lol . The blue one is my new favorite, it is mighty joe dong from the big sex toy store, I was amazed I could take as much as I did my first time around with it!! I hink my husband creamed himself when I sent him a picture.

From: Joe Sent: 27 June 2005 Message 14 of 16

Thanks for the 12 new pictures, jjjjjjjjjjj. (One of the pictures was posted twice and I deleted the duplicate.)

The pictures are very good, and your sexy messages add to the erotic image you are creating of you and your stretching activities.

Keep up the good work! :-)

Joe

From: tuber Sent: 29 June 2005 Message 15 of 16

I thoroughly enjoyed the pictures you have posted. It is so wonderful to see a woman enjoy sex/stretching so much that she continues to do so even with her husband not available. I find that incredibly arousing! Keep enjoying and keep posting pics. You are a very fine looking lady from what I can see from the pictures. Your husband should consider himself very lucky to have a sensuous, adventurous, "anything goes" woman like you to come home to. And I am sure I also would have "creamed my jeans" had you sent pictures like that to me. Keep up the fun stretching and stay unashamed and unembarrassed! And for gosh sakes, keep posting. We love the fantastic shots and the giant objects!

From: frogator Sent: 3 Oct. 2005 Message 16 of 16

I had my wife close to 4" for a while, but she had bladder problems, so we backed off the large toys a while. We did too much too fast. My hand is 10" around and one of the toys we use is 10.750 at the base. She likes them every now and then, but we do not train at it all the time. She is just not as active as I would like her to be, but we have fun. The latest toy is called the totem pole from bigsextoys. We plan to take it slow and see what slips in. The base of this one is 4" and the top is 3" so we will see. My advice is take it slow. Also have fun.