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Message:
Thanks for opening the doors
From: Chris & Julie Sent: 19 Aug. 2002 Message 1 of 3
Dear Joe & Cindy,
Your Website has certainly changed my life! When my husband Chris first showed it to me, I was filled with doubt about my own capability to achieve fisting. I truly thought it was impossible for most women and certainly dangerous. I have never had children or even been pregnant - so I thought fisting could never be a reality for me, or I would perhaps rip something inside. After all, don't they often cut women giving birth? It took a year of sometimes anger & frustration at my inadequacy to please my husband, but with your detailed description of how you trained your body, I was finally able to do it. Last night new feelings of pleasure came for the first time as Chris fisted me.
Standing seems to be the best way for me - I still fight the fear of being hurt - if I'm on my feet, I have the reassurance that I can move myself into a position to keep him from bumping into an uncomfortable spot. We especially enjoy putting on belly dancing music and I climb up on the couch, turn, undulate, and give him oral sex in time to the music without his taking out his fist. Afterwards, his hand is bright red, because I sometimes squeeze as hard as I can, when the music gets exciting. I am glad that I can talk about this to you - I can't ever describe my sex life to others for fear of their disapproval or cruel gossip.
When we have had an exquisite evening of creative fisting dance, we of course want to do it the next night, too. By the third night, alas, I am too sore and tight to be able to do this activity. Is this due to my newness, or is it normal to give my vagina a chance to recuperate?
If so, how often is advisable. I realize that every woman is different, but I think maybe it's dangerous to do it too often.
I know that for me, it was fear and distrust that was my biggest problem. I was totally cramped at first. I had some terrible experiences as a little girl. I expected pain in intercourse. Although I learned to enjoy sex in my late twenties, it was a long uphill battle. Learning to fist is a big physical and psychological triumph. I trust Chris completely, but your instructions convinced me that I could safely learn to fist. I had all sorts of weird concepts of what could happen - such as being rushed to the hospital with Chris's hand stuck due to a spasm. You reassured me and I relaxed and got creative. The ideas come on their own and we certainly have fun trying new positions.
The pictures of Cindy with all those balls in her fired our imagination. Although I can't get nearly the amount of balls in as Cindy can, and I don't want Chris clawing the balls back out (still jumpy about getting hurt), we have a riot when I squat over a pan and "lay eggs". It can get messy when I press them out - even though I go to the toilet before, there can still be an amazing amount of pee when I'm pushing some of those deeply inserted balls out. Having fun and laughing in our sex experiences is also great - I know we are not trying to set any records.
A few months ago, you had a picture of a woman who produced a beer can out of her vagina. I have tried and tried to do the same, but cannot get the can in. Is there a knack to it? Do you push more to the back, or just push evenly? It seems squatting over it and easing myself slowly over the well lubed can would be the ideal way, but so far I can't stretch open enough to get it in. Lying down is also difficult - I still feel too vulnerable if I can't move and Chris does the inserting. We have tried to warm up the vaginal muscles with large dildoes and fisting, but I can't seem to dilate to get that hard wide top into my vagina. Any suggestions?
Thanks again for opening the doors of my mind and body.
Julie
From: Cindy Sent: 19 Aug. 2002 Message 2 of 3
Dear Julie (and Chris),
Thanks for your message, and thanks for re-posting it after the confusion on the other thread.
Congratulations on your success with fisting. I hope you continue to enjoy it.
Before I comment on some of the specific points in your message I feel like making a general "disclaimer", which may or may not apply to your situation. Please don't feel insulted, whether or not my disclaimer applies to you two, it's just something that I'd like to get off my chest.
One of the purposes of "Cindy and Joe", and the most satisfying aspect of running this group, is spreading the word that vaginal fisting can be a wonderful kind of sex, providing great pleasure for the woman and great feelings of excitement and intimacy for both partners. These feelings of excitement can be related to "pushing the envelope" and achieving greater vaginal stretching and trying out new objects, etc. By publishing the Cindy pictures and video clips we hope to spread this message and demonstrate some of the possibilities.
However, we don't think that vaginal fisting or stretching activities are for everyone. We think that some women just don't have the proper anatomy or emotional characteristics for them to enjoy fisting. And we definitely believe that each woman has a different limit, and that most women's limit involves a good deal less stretching than what I personally consider to be my limit.
This means that there is a serious downside to what we're doing here at "Cindy and Joe". We fear that some men and women may look at the Cindy pictures and read about our exploits and think "I/we should be able to do that too," when in fact the woman doesn't really have that capability. This can lead to situations where the woman is pushing herself too much, and/or the man is pushing the woman too much.
So I'll conclude my disclaimer by saying that we do not want anyone to visit "Cindy and Joe" and then to try to duplicate what we're doing when the woman really doesn't have the capabilities and is pushing herself too much or being pushed too much. I'm not into fisting just to please Joe or because I feel compelled to outdo myself in any way, and I'd hate to feel responsible for this happening between other couples.
End of disclaimer.
To get back to your message, I'm very glad that you feel that you can talk to me about your sex life. This kind of communication was very important to me too when Joe and I first got into fisting. I felt very strange and wondered if we were doing something totally perverse and what the consequences could be. I felt much, much better after being able to talk to some other fisting devotees on the Internet.
I've said before that the position which works best seems to be very individual. You're the first woman who's said that a standing position works best. We'll have to remember to mention that possibility in the future when couples ask for advice about the best position.
How do you give Chris oral sex while standing on the couch? I'm guessing I've misunderstood something.
I think that if your vagina is getting sore then that is simply a signal that it's time to give it a rest. Vaginas were never really intended for fisting, and the skin on the inside of the vagina is very tender and delicate. As for how often or how much fisting is OK before some "recuperation" time is needed, I'm sure that is also individual. I don't think this soreness is just due to you being new to fisting.
It sounds like you're really having a lot of fun with the golf balls, and that's wonderful. Sex should be for love and mutual enjoyment, which includes laughing, and it's too bad that most pornography sites never mention love and don't include any kind of humor.
As for the beer can, I've never tried playing with something like that, as I don't like having anything with a hard surface in my vagina. Objects with hard surfaces tend to pinch my vaginal skin against my bones, causing a bruise.
Still, inserting the beer can is probably comparable to inserting the soft plastic water bottle that you can see in pictures cindy056.jpg - cindy058.jpg. My advice is to try to loosen up first with dildos and fisting and lots of orgasms, and then to place the can so the edge is just inside your vagina and pushing down (or up, if you're on your knees) towards the anus. Push downwards (or upwards) mostly, and inwards somewhat, and if your muscles have become stretchable enough it should work. And if it doesn't work, don't sweat it - just find something else to play with that does work.
Thanks again for your message, and good luck with your future fisting adventures.
Regards,
Cindy
From: Shy Girl Freak Sent: 20 Aug. 2002 Message 3 of 3
Julie and Chris,
Julie I can understand your excitment about fisting. I was also quite surprised when my hubby and i finally got the vourage to try it. Or I should say I got the courage and it also took a long time to get going but now I love it. It is not something we do all the time but on rare occasion I like to break out the silicone gloves and lubrication and get the orgasm of a lifetime.LOL.
You are so right this is not something that you can discuss with your firneds and people almost make itout like it is something disgusting. Now I can say I have seen some things that are quite disgusting when it comes to vaginal stretching and fisting but this can also be a very inttimate experinece with someone you really care about as well. I mean I would not do it with a stranger. I find it is a shame that things that are so goooood! can alsways be made out to be so yucky by others. Everyone is also entitled tot heir opinion but I still can realte to how you feel about having a place to come and talk about it or hear what others have to say. I personally am not the type to want to stuff alot of foreign objects into my pussy but I will say that toys have a special place in my heart.. sorta speak..LOL I just wanted to say I also share your excitememnt and congrats on having the time of your life.
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