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Message: Lubricants

From: Cindy-CindyAndJoe Sent: December 27, 1999 Message 1 of 16

In another thread Lyn asked about lubricants, and I thought this was an important enough subject to start a new thread.

My first advice about lubricants is USE LOTS OF IT, especially when you are new to fisting and haven't succeeded yet or it is still very tight.

Second advice is to use WATER-BASED lubricants. In the USA and UK (and elsewhere?) there is a brand called KY Jelly. In Denmark it is called eksplorations-creme.

It should be easy to get this sort of stuff in most parts of the world. Get it at a drug store (not a sex shop - they triple the price, minimum), and ask for what doctors use for gynecological examinations. It's the same stuff as is recommended for vaginal dryness in post-menopausal women, so you could ask for that instead.

This advice is for vaginal fisting. I understand that for anal fisting the recommended stuff to use is Crisco! But don't consider this to be MY recommendation :-)

In an emergency I suppose that any kind of cooking oil could be used. The problem with oil-based lubricants is that it's so messy washing up afterwards. Also, I believe that with some kinds of oil-based lubes there can be problems with them interacting with rubber or plastic toys, maybe even condoms, so be careful out there.

Don't use Vaseline, despite it being recommended some places. This is really messy and hard to clean up.

Are there other members with advice and opinions?

Yours,
Cindy

From: hardcedar Sent: December 28, 1999 Message 2 of 16

Crisco, Vaseline and other oil-based lubricants may be okay for anal sex, but there is a problem with using them on your pussy which isn't a factor with your ass. Your pussy creates its own juices (as if you haven't noticed) and the oils can clog up the pores that secrete these juices. As you say, they are harder to clean up and are likewise more likely to stay in the pores.

I suppose there's a bit of a health risk in that, but I don't know exactly what it would be.

From: C90Go Sent: December 28, 1999 Message 3 of 16

Hi Cindy,
although KY is a very widely used lubricant, Shannon & I find that it becomes rather expensive when used in the quantities needed to initiate fisting. Other water based lubricants, such as 'Wet Stuff' seem more suitable as they are available in much larger containers.
I dont know what's in KY, but our lubricant contains only Glycerine, water, vegetable gum, potassium sorbate & phenonip (whatever that is!) with a ph of 5.5.
With such seemingly harmless ingredients as these & a balanced ph reading, 'Wet Stuff' has produced no ill effects whatsoever & the glycerine acts as a moisturiser into the bargain!

From: Joe-CindyAndJoe Sent: December 29, 1999 Message 4 of 16

Cindy and I bought a tube of lubricant in London last time we were there because we forgot to bring our "eksplorations-creme" with us from Denmark. What we bought there was Boots' private-label stuff, which was a bit cheaper than KY and looked like it was exactly the same stuff. (Boots is a huge chain of drugstores in the UK.)

Unfortunately, that tube has been used and discarded long ago, so I can't tell you what the ingredients are.

The Danish eksplorations-creme also has water and glycerin as the primary components. I won't attempt to translate the rest of the contents from Danish to English :-(

Yours,
Joe

From: UsManiacs Sent: December 29, 1999 Message 5 of 16

I'll add my 2 cents here as a major investor in lube, LOL We use WET Light for Vaginal fisting because it's the slickest, lasts longer than most others, and doesn't cause infections (for me anyway). Some women have to avoid any lubes with certain sugary ingredients because they cause yeast to grow (yeast infections). WET Original now has non-oxenol (sp?) in it and that can cause burning with high friction activities, so we avoid that. The WET Light doesn't have that in it.
As far as using oil based lubes vaginally, it causes infections and other problems for women and is to be avoided at all costs. It is great however for anal fisting--but only when condoms or rubber gloves aren't involved. Oil eats at rubber and destroys any safe sex properties associated with using rubber gloves and condoms.
My husband likes crisco for anal fisting on himself, he says the clean up was relatively easy as well. It is cheap! Can use a ton of it (though he says he doesn't need as much as he would if using a lube like WET). I have alos heard about something called J-Lube that is supposed to be great for anal fisting, but I can't seem to find it. It is very cheap, a powder that is mixed with water and usually used on animals (veterinarians use it).
The creams used for vaginal dryness are NOT the same as lubes! Most of the creams are very thick and made to last for several days in the vagina. They are NOT recommended as lubes for sexual purposes (says that right on them). I know because I have bought them, and read the labels. Only exception I know to this is Astro-glide which is highly recommended by GYN doctors and others for menopausal women. But this is more lube based and VERY expensive. I would not be able to afford to use that for fisting--would cost me a fortune for each session! A tiny little 4 oz. bottle can cost close to $20! Where with WET Light it's about $15 for 32 oz.
Gina

From: Steve_CIPOLLA Sent: January 3, 2000 Message 6 of 16

gina's hubby here,
as she said, we use WET Lite for vaginal fisting, and I use crisco for anal. I used to use the Wet for anal also, but I have found that crisco lasts longer, and is carried deeper that the wet, so deeper anal insertions are much more comfortable. as far as Astro-glide goes, we heard the hype, and got a small 1 oz sample, for 5 bucks, and when we tested it at home ( a little bit between the fingers) we found that it lost it's slickness, and got almost tacky, in just a few seconds of rubbing thumb, and index fingers together. glad we didn't go for the 8 oz $35 bottle.
the bottom line? ( no pun intended) use LOTS and LOTS of lube, in whichever orifice you are playing. in this case, there is no such thing as too much lube.
Steve

From: Cindy-CindyAndJoe Sent: January 6, 2000 Message 7 of 16

Gina,

> The creams used for vaginal dryness are NOT the same as lubes!

OK, that was not what I had in mind when I said you could ask for "what was recommended for post-menopausal women". I believe that doctors first recommend the cheap lubes for women with this kind of problem, but if that is not enough then the kind of stuff you are talking about gets recommended.

Your,
Cindy

From: UsManiacs Sent: January 9, 2000 Message 8 of 16

Hi Cindy,
If women asked for that, they might be given a vaginal moisturizer which isn't the same as lube in most cases. They might be given Replenz or Assure which is meant for long term vaginal lubrication to keep a dry vagina from painful thinning & atrophy, from the loss of estrogen.
I know when I went seeking that (Replenz) I was told to use Astro Glide, and I had to explain I didn't want a lube, I wanted general moisturizing. There's a big difference, LOL
I have noticed though, even menopausal, the more frequently I have sex, the more naturally moist my vagina is, probably from the leftover Wet inside my vagina after sex. I do notice I don't secrete as much natural lubrication as I used to, so am glad there's such a great thing as lubes :-)
Gina

From: Joe-CindyAndJoe Sent: January 15, 2000 Message 9 of 16

We received an e-mail question about the problem of KY Jelly and other similar water-based lubes drying out while you're in the midst of having fun, and that it can break the mood to have to grope for the tube to replenish the lubrication.

What I often do when I (or Cindy) notice that the lube is drying out and getting thick is to add some spit. This may not sound aesthetically pleasing, and if you or your partner would be put off by this, then don't do it of course :-)

Yours,
Joe

From: UsManiacs Sent: January 21, 2000 Message 10 of 16

One other more aesthetically pleasing suggestion is to keep a bowl of warm water by the bed and dip your hand in there. it reactivates the KY and water-based lubes without wasting more lube which doesn't solve the problem anyway. Adding water works perfect and actually it suggests that right on the containers :)
I have seen it done in porn videos and at 1st was like, "Oh my god they're using water! Ouch!" but then I realized when I saw the tube of KY that they were just refreshing it, and it didn't stop the action at all.
Gina

From: C90Go Sent: January 26, 2000 Message 11 of 16

For the last two weeks I have been partially fisting Shannon almost every day. Over this period, she has specifically requested that I don't use any lube. I can feel the friction is increased, but she insists that it feels better that way. I use spit liberally on my fingers, but that's it. We may even achieve a first penetration without any lube at all!
Does this sound wierd, or does anybody else have a similar experience?
I am especially worried about the withdrawl, if no lubricant is used on the first time...
C90Go

From: Cindy-CindyAndJoe Sent: January 27, 2000 Message 12 of 16

> We may even achieve a first penetration without any lube at all!

I'm surprised! For me lots of lubrication was an absolute must back when I was getting into fisting. It's not so important now, but I still need some lubrication.

> I am especially worried about the withdrawl, if no lubricant is used on the first time...

This shouldn't be a problem, if Shannon is turned on and achieves an orgasm or two or three or... That's a great way to relax the muscles :-)

Yours,
Cindy

From: adrn00 Sent: January 31, 2000 Message 13 of 16

To get J-Lube, you'll have to order the catalog for
now:

http://www.nascofa.com/Catalogs/FRcatalog.html

but they are working on getting all catalogs online
in the next few months.

From: UsManiacs Sent: February 1, 2000 Message 14 of 16

Sometimes I can be fisted without lube, but it's very rare and we usually do it for so long a time, that eventually--even if we start without lube--I'll need lube in order to continue without being hurt. I hope Shannon is not allowing herself to become raw by not using lube? She may think it's more womanly to go without?
I know sometimes if too much lube is used it reduces sensation for me but only briefly--my vagina seems to absorb it right in, LOL
Gina

From: brotherdav3 Sent: February 4, 2000 Message 15 of 16

You just won't believe what my GF are experimenting with now as a lubricant. It is the crystal that you hydrate until it is like a little bag of jello. I researched and found out it is inert and presumably safe( as long as you flush it all out). It is the same crystal used to keep house plants wet during dry spells and as long as its kept wet, it stays gelatinous. any comments on this stuff...It is marketed under many names

From: NastyKate Sent: February 10, 2000 Message 16 of 16

I personally have tried so many different types, but like astro glide because I get so wet once I am being fisted with the first orgasm that it doesn't get sticky or tacky. Sometimes we use vaseline mixed with it, depending on my cycle, i.e. being more wet when in later stages of my cycle, but as I mature, I am wetter then when I was in my 20's, am 40 now.

Additional messages about lubricants from other message threads:

From: UsManiacs Sent: April 23, 2000 Message 1 of 1

Oil lubes can also cause more infections than water based lubes do. They are harder to clean out as well.
Baby oil can cause bladder infections from the fragrance added to it.
Gina

From: LVCavalier Sent: August 17, 2000 Message 1 of 1

I have found the the glycerin based (water soluable) lubes such as K-Y, etc dry out much to quickly and don't provide as good a lube as the silicon based lubes like Wet Platinum or Eros. While they are harder to clean up, have no ill effects or either latex or the humna body, and generally more expensive, they don't dry and a little goes a very long way. Wet Platinum is generally easier to find but Eros feels the best (and is twice the cost).

Cavalier