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Message: We shouldn't call the ladies who share pics with us sluts

From: mrjones Sent: 10 Sep. 2005 Message 1 of 15

I believe that the term slut should not be applied to all women who send in pics or even swing with their partners. There has to be another name for them that does not carry with it the stigma of a lower class or less respected status as opposed to women who do not get kinky. I think naughty would be a better word. Just listen to how diffrent the two words sound in the same sentance. My wife is a naughty girl she will do anything I ask. My wife is a slutty girl she will do anything I ask. It sounds completly diffrent think about it.

From: Jimm Sent: 11 Sep. 2005 Message 2 of 15

Good point.

Some women want to be called "sluts" if they have a low self esteem... and that title turns them on. A lot of that type like a sub/dominant relationship. For that particular type maybe we should let them be called that, since it is their own choice. Only in that situation, do I think it is appropriate.

For women in general who enjoy vaginal fisting-stretching, it certainly is wrong to call them "sluts". As a group we should object to that title. I personally would even object to calling them "naughty"... unless of course they want to be called that.

From: Wan2burlvr Sent: 12 Sep. 2005 Message 3 of 15

here here i agree totally but even naughty indicates doing something bad our lovers are not bad they are loving and giving they may enjoy others or the fact that we are proud enough of thier accomplishments to share them if only visually with others i love my wife very much she is unable to take a large penetration but she does what she does for me and i am proud of her as all of us should be of our partners be they wife girlfriend or just a date

Kas

From: Lorie-Lorie Sent: 18 Sep. 2005 Message 4 of 15

Hi, From a women's perspective. Naughty puts a mischeivious grin on my face. Slut, whore, bitch put a stigma that women who are more comfortable with themselves and their sexuality should be punished and that's wrong. I know when a partner is great in bed I don't refer to him as anything but GOOD!! When women refer to other women as sluts it's because they spread for anyone. I veiw Cindy and Joe's as for the most part a respectable group of people who enjoy the same things and because of the respect people feel more comfortable to share. Maybe negotive conatations should be spared for the growth of the group. Happy strecthing!

From: luckySmallone Sent: 18 Sep. 2005 Message 5 of 15

What is this world comming to when political correctness is in a "Fisting and Stretching" message board? People really need bigger and better things to worry about. I've had quite a few girlfriends that LOVE to be called sluts in the bedroom, but were far from sluts. Some were appalled by the term and those were the ones that were closer to the meaning of that term so I guess it touched a nerve.. People shouldn't be so sensitive, especially here! We are all obviously VERY comfortable with what we are and what we are not, I can't imagine any of us actually getting offended by any of these terms. JMO for what it's worth...

From: Partialn Sent: 19 Sep. 2005 Message 6 of 15

As you mention, if someone wants to be called naughty, or even a slut, that is fine because it is their personal choice.

But as a group we should not be calling another member a demeaning or derogatory name without knowing, for sure, they like being called such things.

From: GhostEasy0247 Sent: 16 Oct. 2005 Message 7 of 15

Hi all,
Easy posting today :o)

I just want to add my own perspective on this. I actually enjoy being called a slut, in the bedroom, by my husband, when we are alone. If I was to be called a slut in the bedroom by a casual partner, the session would probably end right then and there!
Naughty always reminds me of childish tthings, and does bring a cute/wicked grin to my own face when used properly. But I like the word " wanton " for use here, although it does carry a certain conotation, it is definatly an adult word!

Just my opinon!

From: Joe Sent: 16 Oct. 2005 Message 8 of 15

Hi Easy,

I'm glad you posted on this thread. I was just wondering how or where to mention that Cindy and I are worried about the possible misunderstandings that can result from the fact that you like to be referred to in degrading ways as part of your erotic games.

For example, you have a video clip called "TrailerTrashPigLizzyGetsFistFucked.wmv", and the latest picture you posted has file name "TrailerTrashLiz.jpg" (nice picture, by the way).

On our Welcome page it says the following: "As a general rule we want "Cindy and Joe (Public)" to be a friendly place for both women and men. Messages or pictures that are degrading or indicate a lack of mutual enjoyment in the kind of sexuality we are promoting are not allowed."

Our position is that we do not want to give men the impression that it is acceptable to think of women in general as bitches or sluts or pigs. The one exception being when it is part of a sexual play with a woman you are intimate with and who you in reality respect.

So I'd appreciate it if you would please add a "description" to your last picture where you explain that being referred to as "trailer trash" may be part of your erotic turn on, but that you do not tolerate men who really feel this way towards women or treat women poorly.

Thanks.

Joe

From: Jimm Sent: 17 Oct. 2005 Message 9 of 15

Glad to hear Easy explain that she will not tolerate abusive language except where it is a mutual "Play" between her and Ghost.

That make it very differenet from "verbal abuse in general" and in her special case becomes something similar to "Play" type S/M. Such "verbal turn ons" are common and used for stimulation rather than abuse. The mind is complex LOL

From: Jimm Sent: 17 Oct. 2005 Message 10 of 15

Joe's policy of respect for sexual partners is a very good one that he has always set for this Group.

Vaginal stretching and fisting should be thought of as an activity of love and respect between partners who enjoy our activity and are definitely NOT abusive in any way.

Thanks Joe... for maintaining this as the only such Group on the Net. His high standards are what allow the relaxed atmosphere here.

From: ang® Sent: 17 Oct. 2005 Message 11 of 15

ok my 2 cents on this issue...I thought I'd do a lil research here ... and went to www.dictionary.com. That is where under the thesaurus i found the definition and synonyms of wanton.

Definition: immoral

Synonyms: abandoned, cheap, dissipated, dissolute, easy, extracurricular, fast, fickle, for free, foul, inconsiderate, lax, lecherous, lewd, libertine, libidinous, licentious, light, loose, low-down, lustful, off-color, outrageous, profligate, promiscuous, purple, rakish, raunchy, raw, rough, salty, shameless, slack, speedy, swinging, unchaste, unconscionable, unprincipled, unscrupulous, wayward, whorish, X-rated.

So for me that word doesnt suffice either. I don't mind being called a bitch, a slut or wanton in the bedroom with someone that I know full well does not mean those words literally, (in fact its rather quite a turn on) I feel that the use of those terms aren't appropriate for public forums. In public Wench works for me... the definition of wench????

Definition: woman

A young woman or girl, especially a peasant girl.
A woman servant.
A wanton woman.
Synonyms: amazon, babe, beauty, broad, cheesecake, chichi, cupcake, cutie, dame, doll, dowager, duchess, femme, filly, fox, frail, gal, gentlewoman, girl, hussy, kid, lady, madam, mama, matron, old bat, old lady, old woman, petticoat, piece, pinup, seductress, she, she-stuff, shrew, siren, sis, skirt, temptress, ten, tomato, weaker sex, wench, wren

I have, at different points in time, been all those definitions and wench doesn't make me think of something that is forbidden or immoral or degrading... anyone else care to add their 2 cents into the equation?

Qbert's Wench®

From: GhostEasy0247 Sent: 22 Oct. 2005 Message 12 of 15

Hi Joe,
As per your emailed request I have posted a description explaning the title of my last pic.

As for the word wanton and its definition, well, please consider that the handle that I have freely chosen to be known on the web as is one of the definitive words used to describe wanton. However, I do now realize from reading the rest of the defining words that it is not appropriate for general use, and hereby withdraw the suggestion.

Joe, ghost and I really do enjoy this group, and anyone that has seen any of our many videos can tell, I am REALLY into fisting and BIG pussy stretching toys and objects!!! At least I hope you all can tell ! ! !

From: Qbert Sent: 23 Oct. 2005 Message 13 of 15

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From: SugarKlit Sent: 26 Oct. 2005 Message 14 of 15

I agree. They should be called 'big cock whores'.

From: Joe Sent: 28 Oct. 2005 Message 15 of 15

> They should be called 'big cock whores'.

To me "whore" is just as derogatory as "slut". So please keep that kind of statement off this group.

Joe