"Cindy and Joe" Message Archive

Message Archive
home page

Message category
index:
Anal fisting
Attitudes & emotions
Cindy-specific 1999
Cindy-specific 2000
Cindy-specific 2001
Cindy-specific 2002
Cindy-specific 2003
Cindy-specific 2004
Cindy-specific 2005
Cindy-specific 2006
Female ejeculation
Finding a partner
Funny stuff
Giving birth
Group-specific 1999
Group-specific 2000
Group-specific 2001
Group-specific 2002
Group-specific 2003
Group-specific 2004
Group-specific 2005
Group-specific 2006
Health concerns
Kegel exercises
Lubricants
Max. vagina size
Personal experiences
Pics and videos
Professional ladies
Sex toys & objects
Vaginal fisting info

Message: A lot of nice video

From: Joe Sent: 3 Jan. 2003 Message 2 of 18

Hi en4chen,

Welcome to "Cindy and Joe", and thanks for the compliments. Yes, I am a very lucky man; I just have to remember to remind myself of it often enough. We humans have a bad tendency to take things for granted after a while...

Also thanks for the links. The free video clips on that site are nice, but I really don't like the way they sell their site.

"What we offer here at Fistbang is the sickest depraved porn in the entire universe!"

"You will be shocked to see how far these sluts get their holes ripped open!"

"Damn. That's got to hurt!"

"Banned in dozens of countries around the world!"

Now in the first place, these statements have nothing whatsoever to do with the image that Cindy and I stand for concerning fisting. We see fisting as a mutually exciting, intimate and loving kind of sex. We strongly reject the idea that fisting should be painful or violent or considered sick or depraved.

In the second place, what kind of potential customer is this web site catering for with this kind of marketing? They are not only saying that fisting is sick and depraved and violent, but that it is great that men should want to watch something that is sick and depraved and violent! The attitude is that women are not just sex objects, but sex objects that should be hurt and subjugated to disgusting acts inflicted on them!

Ugh!

I actually hope they go out of business, but I guess that's unlikely. :-(

Joe

From: Jimm Sent: 3 Jan. 2003 Message 3 of 18

I agree with Joe.

Besides having the mentality of a Tasmanian Devil, almost all their stuff seems to be ripped off from other peoples material that has been around for years.

en4chen however did a good job of finding all their movies for us... possibly by permuting ** in the 0212** movie numbers of their address to get only the ones that are active... LOL

From: spunky Sent: 5 Jan. 2003 Message 4 of 18

I completely agree with Joe. Wifes and girlfriends are partners in our fun and fun it should be, not treating them like meat. Joe & Cindys site is terrific cos they treat each other with respect and love and it shows
Spunky

From: en4chen Sent: 23 Jan. 2003 Message 5 of 18

I am totaly agree with you.....
Sorry my english is not very good, and I didn't make care to the messages of the site...

For excuse me, I attach a little file.
I hope you like it.

Sorry again
Bye
en4chen

PS : Do you know more about elmer...?

elmer1.001

From: ¤ºÃNGÊLº¤ Sent: 25 Jan. 2003 Message 6 of 18

Hi,

I would like to agree with Joe. My partner always treats me with love and respect and not like a piece of meat that he can 'abuse' at his leisure.

Trust is a huge part of what we do. If I didn't trust him completely I could not continue.

Spunky is right, it's a partnership, for mutual pleasure.

¤ºÃNGÊLº¤

From: Joe Sent: 26 Jan. 2003 Message 7 of 18

Angel,

As I get older (and older, and ... sigh) I do seem to be repeating more and more often about how the whole relationship, and especially love and honesty and trust and mutual respect, is the most important thing, and that a good relationship is a prerequisite for wonderful sex.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm overdoing it. Thinking back to when I was younger I can remember that back then I was focused primarily on the sex and didn't worry so much about the relationship. And it's obviously true that you can have really great sex without hardly knowing the partner, especially if you're a man, although a lot of women can also view sex as an isolated activity.

But I'd still like to think that sex for the sake of sex becomes somewhat tedious after a while. (Like after about 50 years in the case of some people.) And that sex for the sake of sex is not good if it involves exploitation or degradation of the partner.

Joe (who's worried about getting too philosophical for the good of this porn site)

From: ¤ºÃNGÊLº¤ Sent: 29 Jan. 2003 Message 8 of 18

Joe,
I wouldn't worry about becoming too philosophical for the porn site. The people who use it will fall into two seperate categories: those in stable loving relationships and those who just want the 'porn' side of fisting and stretching.

From a personal point of view, my partner and I prefer sex within our relationship, which as I have said before is based on love, honesty, trust and mutual respect. Likeminded people need a site that doesn't make them feel like they are doing something to be ashamed of. That fisting/stretching does also happen within these relationships and it is ok.

The purely sex orientated community can just look at the pics and those of us in a stable, loving ( sex orientated ;o) ) relationship of two people who enjoy fisting and stretching can take our time! Slowly and gently stretching until nothing is impossible, the 'double' and the 'works' take time.

I would like to say thank you both again and carry on the good work.
Philosophy never killed anyone, casual 'unsafe' sex can.

¤ºÃNGÊLº¤

From: AndreasSpiekeroogGruppe Sent: 29 Jan. 2003 Message 9 of 18

This message has been deleted by the manager or assistant manager.

From: Joe Sent: 30 Jan. 2003 Message 10 of 18

Dear Angel,

Thank you very much for your message.

> Likeminded people need a site that doesn't make them feel like they are doing something to be ashamed of.

That's one reason for this site, although "ashamed" isn't the word I would have used. Cindy was never ashamed of what we were doing after I introduced her to fisting, but she was worried about possible health aspects and about doing something nobody else on Earth was doing. Finding other couples on the Internet who were also practicing fisters and being able to exchange information with them made her feel comfortable with fisting.

> Philosophy never killed anyone, casual 'unsafe' sex can.

Maybe more to the point, focusing on sex to an obsessive degree prevents you from having and enjoying a loving, honest, trusting relationship, which is the best thing we can have here in life. Unfortunately, I speak from experience. :-(

Joe

From: shetland Sent: 30 Jan. 2003 Message 11 of 18

why?

From: Joe Sent: 31 Jan. 2003 Message 12 of 18

Hello Shetland,

I assume you're asking why I think being obsessed with sex or some particular aspect of sexuality "prevents you from having and enjoying a loving, honest, trusting relationship".

This is off-topic for this web site, and I should probably follow my own rules for participating on other web sites and stay away from politics, religion and philosophy. Discussions of these topics hardly ever result in anyone changing their opinions, and everyone except the participants in the debate find the debate totally boring. :-(

I'll just say that when I use the word "obsession" that I mean a psychologically deviant behavior, as covered by these definitions:
"a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling"
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
"An unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone."
http://www.hyperdic.net/dic/o/obsession.shtml

My claim is that if a man is obsessed with (for example) experiencing (or re-experiencing) vaginal fisting with a woman, then his ability to be a participant in a loving, honest, trusting relationship is limited. In situations where the man should be primarily concerned with the well-being of his partner he will instead be worrying about when and how he will achieve his obsession.

Joe

From: Blitzppp Sent: 2 Feb. 2003 Message 13 of 18

>...when I use the word "obsession" that I mean a psychologically deviant behavior...

Joe, I look at the obsessive thing with a similar view, but I tend to see all shades of gray between what constitutes a desire that is harmless and an obsession that can range from harmless to pure evil. A lot of this in my mind depends on whether one or both parties are obsessed. LOL

However, I think that 'harmless' type acts that are mutually pleasurable are generally both acceptable and healthy... even if they are considered by some prudes as pathological obsessions.

In this sense, what some would brand a psychiatric deviant 'folie-á-deux' with both parties having the same obsession and thinking the same way, I tend to accept as just mutual fun, as long as the folie-á-deux between the two parties is not harmful to themselves or to anyone else.

What I am trying to says that some people like to brand others with mentally deviant 'obsessive' behavior whenever they don't use the missionary position and there is no menses, during any and all sex. I would hate to see our activity here branded with the darker shades of meaning of the word 'obsession', even though some stenotic minds do just that!

For that reason, I hope casual observers to our group will not use the 'word' obsession in connection with anything we do on this group, because people use semantics to brand and vilify others.

I notice the word 'obsession' is now being used in International Politics by various Countries and by their News Lackeys to vilify others. I see this as very short on substance and very long on Branding, whenever they use a ploy that only consists of very evil semantics. LOL

From: Joe Sent: 2 Feb. 2003 Message 14 of 18

Yes, there is a gray area between "sexual preference" and "sexual obsession", and maybe I'm being too "holy" in my condemning sexual obsessions so much. I'm thinking of a bad experience I once had with a lady who, driven by her particular sexual obsession, deceived me. And maybe some of my own sexual preferences are a bit too much on the obsessive side. :-(

Joe

From: Blitzppp Sent: 3 Feb. 2003 Message 15 of 18

Joe,

I certainly don't think you are over reacting to the use of 'obsession', because you understand the shades of gray within the meaning very well. You certainly know what is harmless mutual fun versus demented obsessions. It is only those who distort reality that I was reputing.

I simply was remarking that those who wish to brand 'any sexual activity' that does not fit their own weird religious or puritanical views will call what we know is safe and healthy an 'evil demented obsession'. Most of these are just pitiful pathetic people. Some are being diabolical and shrewd toward their own ends.

In that class, I also apologize for bringing politics into the equation, because I know there are great pressures from all sides of political arguments to supplant real facts with vituperative rhetoric. Fortunately the World is also filled with those who want to take time to cool off and look behind the semantics being used by all sides.

From: tommy7 Sent: 3 Feb. 2003 Message 16 of 18

I do not know what the problem is but my password does not work even after I changed it a few times . It used to log me on auto but now I can not get on at all. such a shame! Can I get any help please! Tommy7

From: tommy7 Sent: 3 Feb. 2003 Message 17 of 18

This message has been deleted by the manager or assistant manager.

From: Joe Sent: 3 Feb. 2003 Message 18 of 18

Tommy7, the problem you have sounds like what often happens when you have more than one Hotmail passport and switch around between them and forget to switch back to the correct one before signing in to "Cindy and Joe".

If that's not the problem then I don't really have any suggestions, except perhaps to delete everything in your browser's cache memory. You do that under Tools > Internet Options, and click on "Delete Files..." on the General page under Temporary Internet files.

Joe